vg|12WBO_7_1,Segm_7_17,I,1,20,Belgium,0,Italy,0| rs|6DE=,6DE=,3NS+1,3NN+2,5DNx=,4DN+1,4SN-1,3SN=,2SW+1,2SE+1,4HS+2,4HS+2,5HW=,5HW=,6DE+1,6DE+1,3NN+1,4HN+1,4SS+1,4SS=,1NS-1,2DE-1,3DW+1,3NE+1,6NE=,6NE=,4HW+1,4HW+1,6CSx-1,5CS=,3NS+2,3NS+3,2CN=,3CS=,3NW+2,3NE+1,3HS=,2NS-2,5HEx+1,4HE+2| pn|Engel,Versace,Coenraets,Lauria,NUNES,STAS,FANTONI,JOHNSON|pg|| qx|o1|md|3ST9HQ72DKJT43CQ84,S7654HA65DCAKT632,SAQJHKJ984D82C975,SK832HT3DAQ9765CJ|sv|0|pg|| qx|c1|md|3ST9HQ72DKJT43CQ84,S7654HA65DCAKT632,SAQJHKJ984D82C975,SK832HT3DAQ9765CJ|sv|0|pg|| qx|o2|st||md|4SKJT2HT94DQ54CK42,SQ84HK6DJ983CQT73,S76HAQJ72DA76CAJ9,SA953H853DKT2C865|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c3|pc|cJ|pc|c8|pc|c2|pg|| pc|s6|pc|sA|pc|s2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|d8|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c9|pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|c7|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h8|pc|h4|pc|d3|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|d9|mc|10|pg|| qx|c2|st||md|4SKJT2HT94DQ54CK42,SQ84HK6DJ983CQT73,S76HAQJ72DA76CAJ9,SA953H853DKT2C865|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|lebasi: hi all|pg|| mb|1H|nt|Walddk2: Welcome to your commentators for this match: Ross Grabel, USA, Roger Bryant, England, and Isabel Leitão, Portugal|pg|| nt|roghog: hi all|pg|| nt|rossg: hi all|pg|| mb|p|nt|swanson: welcome all - should be a fine match|pg|| mb|1S|mb|p|mb|1N|mb|p|nt|lebasi: SELAM, we are in Istanbul|pg|| nt|vugraph197: HI ALL|pg|| nt|roghog: We're watching two strong teams from Group A. Both are well placed to qualify for the last eight.|pg|| mb|p|nt|swanson: Convention cards for all pairs in the Olympiad matches available at:|pg|| nt|swanson: www.bridgebase.com/istanbul|pg|| nt|mareczek: EW go fast to the 6@c|pg|| nt|mareczek: but with those splits will probably down in slam|pg|| nt|swanson: Backstrom - Salomaa use the "Bart Simpson Club"|pg|| nt|swanson: Welcome to the BBO presentation of Italy versus Belgium|pg|| mb|p|nt|timb: both 3NT and 4H make so could be a swing here|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Good morning all. Your commentators for this match are John Swanson, USA, Tim Bourke, Australia, and Bruce Gowdy, Canada. I am Roland Wald from Denmark|pg|| pc|c5|nt|mareczek: may be in double dummy 6@c can be made via cross ruffing|pg|| nt|mlodybog: Hello|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pg|| pc|s6|nt|lc: 2NT =19-20, then we presume West transferred and then showed clubs, naturally|pg|| nt|swanson: Teams, results and other information available at: http://www.bridgebase.pl/online/online.php|pg|| nt|lebasi: Bocci-Duboin plays a green system with a lot of relais|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sK|nt|lc: I agree with Marek that maybe 6@C could be difficult here|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| nt|adolfod: perhaps he excpected a four card support|pg|| nt|mlodybog: I wonder whether it's makeable at all|pg|| nt|mareczek: deep finesse shows that possible|pg|| nt|swanson: The dbl of the cue bid helopd the auction along - it's probably going to come home on the cross ruff|pg|| nt|mareczek: in my opinion without touching trumps too much|pg|| nt|lc: Declarer has 3 main options ...|pg|| nt|lc: 1) Ruff heart in dummy|pg|| nt|lc: 2) Ruff spades in hand|pg|| nt|lc: 3) Cash 3 diamonds and try cross-ruff line|pg|| pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|hA|pc|h3|pg|| pc|h2|nt|lebasi: NT weak or strong, 5 cards majors, @d=4|pg|| nt|roghog: All the Convention Cards are on http://www.bridgebase.com/istanbul|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h9|pc|h6|pg|| pc|h4|nt|Walddk2: The link to the convention cards is www.bridgebase.com/istanbul|pg|| nt|bg: Hi all you can get convention cards at www.bridgebase.com/istanbul|pg|| nt|Walddk2: :-)|pg|| pc|d8|nt|swanson: I would guess Belgium will open 1NT with the North hand in the other room and arrive in 3NT|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|mlodybog: Goes after the 1st possibility|pg|| nt|dburn: Well, that will enable him to fall back on the third|pg|| nt|mlodybog: Which is still winning one|pg|| nt|mareczek: it is still possible to play for the cross ruff|pg|| nt|dburn: since, as it happens, the hand that discards a diamond on the hearts started with four of them|pg|| nt|swanson: surely that it best with know spade length in North|pg|| nt|swanson: This is a tough hand to start the match with|pg|| nt|lc: I agree -- declarer has so many possible ways to choose from.|pg|| nt|mareczek: when the heart split 4-2 will show, cross ruff is the only option|pg|| pc|h8|pg|| nt|bg: they did|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|lc: But is it clear to play a heart now? Maybe draw 1 trump first? Maybe cash diamonds first? Lots of possible choices!|pg|| pc|c6|pc|d4|nt|swanson: The World Bridge Federation Olympiad site is: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Istanbul.04/Istanbul.htm|pg|| nt|Walddk2: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Istanbul.04/Istanbul.htm the official WBF web site |pg|| nt|timb: any idea what happened here on 1st hand?|pg|| nt|Walddk2: We will get the names of the Belgium players up there soon I am sure|pg|| nt|bg: 6 dia in open room not sure if they played it here yet or not|pg|| nt|timb: 6@D made at both table, i'm told|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| pc|h7|nt|Walddk2: Please welcome Philippe Caputo of Belgium. He is in the team but sitting out in this match|pg|| pc|d2|nt|caputo: hi all|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Bonjour Philippe|pg|| nt|caputo: bonjour roland salut les belges |pg|| nt|swanson: Johnson - Stas use a forcing club, 12-14 balanced or 18+ artifical|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o3|st||md|1SQ76H8763DT94CA87,SKJ43HKQT95D5CQ43,STHADAQJ873CKJT96,SA9852HJ42DK62C52|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|2N!|mb|3D|an| |mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|cA|pc|c4|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|dK|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|dJ|pg|| pc|sT|pc|s5|pc|s6|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|sK|pc|dQ|pc|s2|pc|s7|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d2|pc|d9|pc|h5|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c3|pc|c9|pc|c5|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c3|st||md|1SQ76H8763DT94CA87,SKJ43HKQT95D5CQ43,STHADAQJ873CKJT96,SA9852HJ42DK62C52|sv|e|nt|swanson: Convention cards for all pairs in the Olympiad matches available at: www.bridgebase.com/istanbul|pg|| nt|csimon: welcome everyone - hi Nick & Roberto|pg|| nt|roghog: Reid Newell play strong 1@c|pg|| nt|caputo: 10 for belgium good start for us |pg|| nt|Walddk2: a 2-way club that was introduced by Anders Morath of Sweden when he got fed up with intervention after their strong 1@C in the Carotti system|pg|| nt|vugraph197: hi all now we start live broadcast |pg|| mb|p|nt|nickf: hi Carol|pg|| mb|1H|nt|adolfod: but if hi discard the diamond i think he survive|pg|| nt|lc: 1NT = 14+ - 17|pg|| nt|rossg: 21c=18-19 bal|pg|| mb|2N|nt|lebasi: 2@c= 18-19|pg|| nt|rossg: 21c=18-19 bal|pg|| nt|lebasi: dble is neg always|pg|| nt|Walddk2: I believe John Swanson played against Morath a few times back in the late 70's|pg|| nt|vugraph197: in second board fantoni played 3nt with 2 overtricks|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Did you not John?|pg|| nt|bg: Philippe Caputo is one of the Belgium players sitting out this match He is here to lend mental support|pg|| mb|3H|nt|swanson: in 1977|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|dburn: I'd be surprised if they didn't get a chance. A Polish 1@c must be one of the more frequent openings.|pg|| nt|caputo: 4 loosers hand ... have to bid i think|pg|| nt|swanson: it's going to be tough for NS to reach game, North will have to do it on his own|pg|| nt|timb: ah! |pg|| nt|Walddk2: 3@H is merely competitive. Most top players use 3@D as forcing with hearts, 3@C as forcing with spades ... and some have reversed the meaning of the two|pg|| mb|4D|mb|p|mb|p|nt|tsanders: fellow commentartors for this set are Richie Reisig, Migry Zur Campanile. Please welcome them|pg|| nt|vugraph197: hi all , names and scores for 2 first boards in a minute|pg|| mb|p|nt|caputo: yesssssss|pg|| pc|h2|nt|swanson: The Finnish Bart Simpson Club looks a bit like Precision|pg|| nt|Walddk3: The player in the East seat is Bäckström or Backstrom if you can't type ä and ö|pg|| nt|mareczek: this looks like a gift of the 9-th trick|pg|| nt|dburn: and a bit like imprecision :)|pg|| nt|lc: Declarer would like to set up @D but retain an entry to dummy to run them. |pg|| pc|h3|nt|eggy: Good Morning everyone|pg|| nt|nickf: well done to the Morroccons getting to the only making game|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|hA|pg|| nt|csimon: this is a fine lead. unless declarer guesses @hs, he is likely to come up short 1 trick|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c2|nt|rossg: missed a great game but will be happy about it in a moment|pg|| nt|roghog: 4@s makes if @s break. lucky to stay low here|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| nt|Walddk2: You can take advantage of the unusual 2NT overcall since you now have 3@C and 3@D available as constructive|pg|| pc|dT|pc|d5|nt|timb: What it strongest over 3@H - X, 3NT or 4@D?|pg|| pc|d3|nt|Walddk2: Welcome Migry|pg|| nt|tsanders: we begin with board 3 so there will be comparisons in the open room|pg|| pc|dK|pg|| nt|lc: With a @C trick in, this will now be easy -- just duck another @D|pg|| nt|mareczek: best defence was to jump with @cA and insist on @s|pg|| nt|lc: From declarer's point of view, a @D now would be annoying...but...|pg|| nt|mlodybog: I think hopping up with a @c would make it impossible|pg|| nt|lc: The defense can't knock out the @DA -- so declarer can unblock his @Sa in time.|pg|| nt|adolfod: Q h!?|pg|| nt|swanson: i would start the north hand with 2@D over 1@H - tough to describe the strength after 2NT|pg|| nt|bg: 5dx in other room only depends on guessing club queen|pg|| nt|timb: probably easier to judge if you do|pg|| nt|swanson: double is an offer to defend - not wise with 6-5|pg|| pc|c5|nt|pkl: Hi all... |pg|| nt|vugraph197: hi all , as it will be always here due to security reasons we are not allowed to start with 1st board|pg|| nt|migry: Hi all from sunny Tel Aviv:))|pg|| pc|c7|nt|nickf: yes you were right Carol.|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Italy must be EW here, since they are also NS in the open room|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cK|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o4|st||md|2SQJ862HQ7DJ987CJ2,SKHAKJ9DAQ32CT543,SAT753HT643D4CKQ8,S94H852DKT65CA976|sv|b|mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|hJ|pc|h6|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|cA|pc|c2|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|mc|9|pg|| qx|c4|st||md|2SQJ862HQ7DJ987CJ2,SKHAKJ9DAQ32CT543,SAT753HT643D4CKQ8,S94H852DKT65CA976|sv|b|nt|swanson: why would declarer have ducked the heart lead for another tirkc?|pg|| nt|vugraph197: HI ALL, TODAY WE START WITH 4TH BOARD OF OUR MATCH|pg|| nt|beto: Hello all, welcome|pg|| nt|nickf: hi everyone|pg|| nt|nickf: hi Roberto|pg|| nt|roghog: big test for Reid Newell against two of the best in the world here|pg|| nt|timb: true|pg|| mb|1D|mb|1S|nt|migry: i'd really like to know the names of the players - after i printed thousands of convention cards:)|pg|| mb|p|nt|mareczek: Suomis in closed room reached a very good game on 11-11 count|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 3@S is the limit|pg|| mb|3C|nt|granguru: hi carol, steve and peter|pg|| nt|timb: and 3@C or 3@D|pg|| nt|swanson: Johnson couldn't raise because partner could have only two|pg|| nt|bg: I think minimum is thre dia|pg|| nt|swanson: Belgium did make 5@D in the other room on the previous deal|pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk3: Suomi is Finnish for Finland|pg|| nt|lc: This game is reasonable because of the good club spots. Take away the @C10,9,8 -- and not so good.|pg|| nt|nickf: let's hope Morrocco recover and bod a slam here|pg|| nt|pkl: Hachimi and Berrada are not list with a convention-card. Does anyone know what they play?|pg|| mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|lc: 3@C = invitational raise, no singleton|pg|| nt|pkl: 6@S looks touch and go.|pg|| nt|csimon: looks like they shuffled 2 partnerships|pg|| pc|d6|nt|coutred: Looks as if they play French standard|pg|| nt|roghog: highly artificial. 1@H = @s|pg|| nt|reisig: anyone else confused by the bidding?|pg|| nt|rossg: all i see in the notes is that @H-@S=art game force|pg|| nt|rossg: that is 1@H-1@S of course|pg|| nt|Walddk2: It doesn't say what 3@C is on the Italian convention card|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dA|nt|roghog: Reid is asking|pg|| pc|d4|pg|| nt|lc: What makes this fit so magical is not just the club spots, but the no wastage in @D.|pg|| nt|dburn: 3@h is a limit raise with only three trumps. North has a minimum with no real way to know whether it is a suitable minimum or not.|pg|| nt|tsanders: very good for the EW to get to game|pg|| nt|reisig: gm Tommy:)|pg|| nt|rossg: they are in a relay auction but cant tell you what relay responses are|pg|| pc|hK|nt|coutred: 3@D is 11-14 4-card fit|pg|| nt|tsanders: I think he will make it|pg|| nt|tsanders: Have been expecting you Richie, chain rubbing you?|pg|| nt|reisig: :)))|pg|| nt|migry: there r some losing options|pg|| nt|reisig: might go down|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Anyway, Fantoni got it right. They know what they are doing|pg|| pc|h4|nt|reisig: hi Migry:)|pg|| pc|h2|nt|pkl: Yes... but it looks like some kind of Bergen here - 3@D is invitational with spades|pg|| nt|nickf: already 11-10 after 3 bds|pg|| pc|h7|pg|| nt|nickf: well he's better than invitational|pg|| nt|pkl: ... this is followed by a cue-bid sequence with the pass showing 2. round controle.|pg|| nt|reisig: They found 4@h with 5-0 and wrong sided|pg|| nt|swanson: 3@S as a preemptive raise seems better than 3@C|pg|| pc|hA|nt|Walddk2: It's a little too good for an invitational raise in my opinion|pg|| nt|migry: Hi Richie @h@h@h|pg|| nt|tsanders: certainly are Migry. Take back my prediction|pg|| nt|roghog: Duboin thinks babbo natale has come early!|pg|| pc|h3|nt|reisig: He can't make if N plays trumps|pg|| nt|tsanders: east played south for 6@s, therefore didn't try to pitch a @c from dummy|pg|| nt|migry: makes sense as he knows that south is extremely weak so must be bidding on shape|pg|| nt|vugraph197: for all matches we are getting our files after the matches already started , and i am the one who recieves those so it is hard to follow for me in the begining :)|pg|| nt|reisig: He needs to be very careful here|pg|| nt|migry: while Bocchi thinks, i can tell you that the north south pair are playing a simple 2/1 GF with variable no trumps|pg|| nt|migry: 10-12 non vul 1st and 2nd seat and 15-17 all other |pg|| nt|tsanders: north may come to 2@h tricks on uppercut of @cs|pg|| nt|migry: the 6 @h is a very important card|pg|| nt|migry: south may just score a trump trick:)|pg|| nt|reisig: It seems like he must win this in hand|pg|| nt|lebasi: they found their fit but didn't find opps cards in the dark:-(|pg|| pc|h8|nt|granguru: final looks conservative, to say the least|pg|| pc|hQ|pg|| nt|mlodybog: But repeated @d leads put a big question mark as to making a game|pg|| nt|timb: 3@C gives an almost free takeout double|pg|| pc|c5|pc|cK|pc|cA|nt|rossg: perhaps Bocchi was unable to attain enough info to make sure there wasnt a better spot but his failure to dble here could be costly|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|timb: of spades|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cJ|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg|| nt|swanson: this nice fitting hand will produce ten tricks even the the 4-1 heart split - declarer can discard on the second diamond|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|sK|nt|pkl: Nick: You are right.... it is better than invitational unless they have light openings|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s4|pg|| mc|9|nt|reisig: Cash @h Jack|pg|| nt|tsanders: @d split only chance|pg|| nt|migry: i still thinks he is going down but maybe i'm missing something:)|pg|| pg|| qx|o5|st||md|3SAT4HAJTDJ984CK53,SKQJ97HKQ8DQ72CT2,S8632H65DK5CQ9874,S5H97432DAT63CAJ6|sv|n|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|2C|mb|d|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c9|pc|c6|pc|cK|pc|cT|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d7|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|s3|pc|h2|pc|sA|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|s6|pc|h3|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s8|pc|h4|pc|c3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|d5|pc|d3|pc|d8|pg|| pc|d2|pc|c4|pc|d6|pc|d9|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|s7|pc|c8|pc|dT|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h5|pc|h7|pc|hA|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hQ|pc|h6|pc|h9|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|c5|pg|| pc|cA|pc|hT|pc|h8|pc|cQ|pg|| pg|| qx|c5|st||md|3SAT4HAJTDJ984CK53,SKQJ97HKQ8DQ72CT2,S8632H65DK5CQ9874,S5H97432DAT63CAJ6|sv|n|nt|pkl: Well... 3@D is 11-14 on one of the convention cards.... lokks like we've found it|pg|| nt|migry: there were some ways to make it and some more to go down - much more difficult at the table then when u have all 4 hands in sight|pg|| nt|roghog: Cornell Crombie vs. Versace Lauria in the other room |pg|| nt|Walddk2: And 6 IMPs to Italy|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|nickf: this match is slam city - here's another one|pg|| nt|eggy: the card says 11-14|pg|| nt|rossg: -300 here seems like a good result for newell and reid|pg|| nt|lebasi: 15-17 now|pg|| mb|1N|nt|swanson: Poland has an outstanding international record - Finland usually is about average in the field|pg|| nt|swanson: do you come in with 2@S here?|pg|| mb|2H|nt|mlodybog: So still a little bit of upset|pg|| nt|granguru: another potential slam on hand|pg|| nt|pkl: The slam was missed - to the next deal ;-)|pg|| mb|p|nt|rossg: Bocchi and Deboin play a split no trump depending on vul and seat. Obviously strong vul vs. not|pg|| nt|roghog: 2@s = @s + minor|pg|| nt|reisig: 2@s must @s and minor and Reid is convinced the other suit is @ds:)|pg|| mb|2S|mb|p|nt|lc: This is Day 1 of 6 Days of Round-Robin matches to reduce the field from 72 to 16 teams|pg|| nt|granguru: lets see how Italy does here|pg|| nt|nickf: but I am quietly confident the italians will get there - getting to diamonds may be harder though|pg|| mb|p|nt|lc: What do you guys think of the 2@S balance here?|pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Not me, I fancy my defence against 1NT, and we do not have a game on after partner's initial pass|pg|| nt|bg: I would pass 1nt with west hand it is on lead|pg|| nt|timb: no - overcalling on balanced hands over a weak 1NT seems to lose more than it gains|pg|| nt|timb: particularly when partner has already passed in 1st or 2nd seat|pg|| nt|swanson: It was a big loser here, South wasn't going to take many tricks in 1NT.|pg|| pc|d9|nt|csimon: 6@d or 6nt both require the @hQ guess|pg|| nt|pkl: After a 12-14 1NT this one will be tough|pg|| nt|nickf: I hope he doesnt lead a singleton H against 6D then.|pg|| pc|d2|nt|Walddk2: To access the up to minute results and rankings: Click Explore Bridge! ---> Vugraph Theatre and the big green banner above the chat window: "Click for latest standings and scores ...|pg|| nt|Walddk2: of the Olympiad"|pg|| nt|bg: that lead helps|pg|| pc|dK|nt|roghog: well bid|pg|| pc|dA|pg|| nt|Walddk2: http://www.bridgebase.pl/online/online.php for lots of information. Program, teams, results, standings, photos, live web cam and vugraph files.|pg|| pc|h2|nt|vugraph197: actually, hachimi is a woman |pg|| pc|hT|nt|reisig: After 2 hands with horrible trump splits ..here 2-2 with a finesse|pg|| nt|rossg: continuous taps here should beat this|pg|| nt|dburn: Well, "live" may be a bit of an overbid|pg|| nt|roghog: yes, Italians will play @h every time|pg|| nt|rossg: the defense will have three opportunities to lead hearts and set up a 4th trick for the defense|pg|| nt|roghog: Duboin's 2@h = even number|pg|| pc|hK|nt|Walddk2: Thanks to Bridge Base Poland|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| nt|coutred: This sequence is not on convention card|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s2|nt|mlodybog: I don't like it :)|pg|| nt|swanson: Finns use "don't" against a strong notrump, Hamilton versus weat|pg|| nt|tsanders: south has to exercise damage control on this one. Off for sure, but how many?|pg|| pc|s5|nt|mlodybog: Any lead vs NT suits me so why bother|pg|| nt|mareczek: to much strength, too weak spades|pg|| nt|lc: I like balancing but not here. 5-3-3-2 not my style (also, they are vul -- try for +200 or +300)|pg|| nt|lc: I would need more shape to balance.|pg|| nt|migry: west is going to be endplayed after this trick|pg|| nt|timb: seems normal enough to lead a diamond though|pg|| pc|s4|pg|| pc|sQ|nt|pkl: Now it's 3NT. 11 or 12 tricks with a club lead|pg|| nt|migry: if he plays a spade declarer is very well positioned|pg|| pc|s3|nt|dburn: You mean, to balance you need to be unbalanced?|pg|| nt|lc: You could put it that way, David|pg|| pc|h4|pc|sA|pg|| pc|sT|nt|granguru: this will also be a speedy play|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s6|nt|dburn: Curious language we have invented :)|pg|| pc|c6|pg|| nt|reisig: win this and play another @c|pg|| nt|tsanders: now a @c back by declarer and west endplayed again|pg|| nt|migry: bocchi wd have done better to play a club at trick 2|pg|| pc|s9|pc|s8|nt|rossg: oops!|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|migry: the heart return was a bit careless|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| nt|coutred: My guess is that 2S was artificial and 2N showed a minimum|pg|| pc|c2|nt|pkl: Argh.... forget about that ;-(|pg|| nt|reisig: Declarer endplayed himself:)|pg|| pc|c9|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| nt|lc: And Rafal made a good point -- for once, we had a hand where partner couldn't disappoint us with his opening lead ...|pg|| nt|lc: against 1NT.|pg|| nt|mlodybog: Even all those side Qs and Js packed in spades would make a difference|pg|| pc|h3|nt|reisig: looks like down 200|pg|| pc|hA|nt|dburn: Well, the ace of diamonds from AKxx might not fill us with the joys of spring|pg|| nt|nickf: i guess he'll take his 11|pg|| pc|h8|nt|granguru: I think 2@S is a relay and 2N showed 4-3-3-3|pg|| pc|h6|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|hQ|nt|mlodybog: Partner could have chosen a low one sometime|pg|| nt|dburn: Believe me, if I can find a disappointing opening lead, I will find one.|pg|| nt|mareczek: unlikely to lead ace from AKxx against 1nt... particularly from a week hand|pg|| nt|swanson: Down 2 for a wash|pg|| pc|c4|pc|h7|pg|| nt|lebasi: Crombie doubled 4@h in open room|pg|| nt|timb: why no @CK?|pg|| pc|cT|nt|mareczek: but possible from @dAKx|pg|| nt|migry: Mak didn't believe in his luck - that he can endplay Duboin again - but he had no other chance really|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Please welcome one of the world's great analysts: Bart Bramley from USA|pg|| pc|c7|pc|h9|nt|swanson: make that 1|pg|| pc|cK|pg|| nt|caputo: 9wd|pg|| nt|caputo: wd for 10|pg|| nt|swanson: Nunes gave a gift of a second overtrick|pg|| nt|timb: not awake yet?|pg|| nt|caputo: hope he will until 1pm|pg|| nt|vugraph197: actually he didnt |pg|| nt|swanson: He was so delighted to not be playing 1NT he was lost in euphoria.|pg|| nt|vugraph197: it is me who is not awake :)|pg|| mc|9|nt|bbramley: hello everyone|pg|| nt|migry: hi|pg|| pg|| qx|o6|st||md|4SQJ6HA964DAT7CJT6,SKT942HT7DKJ432CQ,S8HKQ82D86CAK5432,SA753HJ53DQ95C987|sv|e|mb|p|mb|1C|mb|1S|mb|d|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sT|pc|s8|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| pc|d9|pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d6|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hT|pc|hK|pc|h3|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c7|pc|c6|pc|cQ|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|h5|pc|h6|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h2|pc|hJ|pc|hA|pc|d3|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c6|st||md|4SQJ6HA964DAT7CJT6,SKT942HT7DKJ432CQ,S8HKQ82D86CAK5432,SA753HJ53DQ95C987|sv|e|nt|eggy: there is not that much detail on the system sheet|pg|| nt|csimon: another slam, but unbiddable|pg|| nt|pkl: The slam needs to be with West....|pg|| nt|pkl: ... and is quite bad, actually|pg|| nt|csimon: unmakeable too, with the @ss 5-2|pg|| nt|tsanders: welcome Bart|pg|| nt|reisig: hi Bart:)|pg|| mb|p|nt|dburn: Not allowed to be a wash. If you balance when you're balanced, the scores aren't supposed to balance.|pg|| mb|1N|nt|csimon: with a @c lead|pg|| mb|p|nt|lc: 1NT = 12-14|pg|| nt|swanson: 12-14 in 1st or 2nd position|pg|| nt|pkl: Yes - a club lead will also set it|pg|| mb|2C|nt|mareczek: can be balanced only in a final balance :)|pg|| mb|p|nt|tsanders: At the end of the day after 3 matches, Hong Kong was in 7th place in their group (qualifying 4). Italy in 2nd|pg|| mb|2H|nt|reisig: 1NT generally shows more high cards than this|pg|| nt|migry: if it is natural - but i have a feeling it's not|pg|| nt|migry: lots of pairs play that a 1Nt TO A DOUBLE OF 1s SHOWS A NEGATIVE HAND|pg|| nt|bbramley: 1nt=transfer to @C|pg|| mb|p|nt|roghog: 1@s = @d|pg|| nt|lebasi: maybe 1@d from Reid|pg|| mb|4H|nt|eggy: how would you get anywhere close?|pg|| nt|nickf: and 3NT needs to be played from West|pg|| nt|reisig: this is a very poor result for EW|pg|| nt|vugraph197: he trow away his king on ac |pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|granguru: here it goes|pg|| nt|nickf: although they have good pips|pg|| nt|eggy: OK either sid I think|pg|| nt|tsanders: always wanted to be able to bid 1NT with that east hand instead of one of those maingy minors|pg|| mb|p|nt|lc: You are watching a 20-deal Round-Robin match from the World Bridge Olympiad in Istanbul between Poland and Finland|pg|| nt|swanson: looks like another imp or two for Finland, 8 tricks are easy now|pg|| nt|lc: Only the top 4 teams in each group of 18 teams will qualify for the knockout stage in 6 days|pg|| nt|nickf: not sure where West is headed |pg|| nt|vugraph197: sry for this|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|nt|bbramley: duboin may be nervous about missing a 5-3 @H fit|pg|| nt|swanson: 12 tricks are cold with everything working|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c6|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Our operator in Istanbul is Marcin (vugraph197). Good morning to you Marcin|pg|| pc|h2|nt|pkl: They could end in 5@C now - but it wins too|pg|| nt|pkl: Yep|pg|| nt|nickf: not on a spade lead|pg|| nt|pkl: A nasty set of hands to bid....|pg|| pc|h3|nt|nickf: I think the bypass of 3NT will point to a H lead|pg|| nt|eggy: the italians bid the slam on 4|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|h4|pc|hT|nt|migry: this hand plays well for declarer in spite of the 4-2 break in @c|pg|| nt|bbramley: i thought he might have bid 2@H instead of his second dbl|pg|| nt|bbramley: sorry, not over 2@S|pg|| nt|reisig: :))|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h5|pg|| pc|hQ|nt|lc: Most of us know that Poland is one of the favorites. I don't know much about this team from Finland. Do any of you guys ...|pg|| nt|lc: know how they rank in this field of 72? |pg|| nt|reisig: some problems getting to hand for all those great finesses|pg|| nt|migry: i really hate a 2@h overcall on suc a poor suit but it saves u from being nervous afterwards:)|pg|| nt|reisig: I'd rather be nervous:))|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h6|nt|lebasi: yes EW win 6@d|pg|| nt|caputo: 12 ice cold tricks|pg|| pc|d2|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Marcin is a very experienced operator and did a great job during the European Championships in Malmo, Sweden, this summer|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o7|st||md|1SJ864H9DQ854CAT97,STHKQJT32DAKJ72C8,SA72H65DT9CJ65432,SKQ953HA874D63CKQ|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|3S|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4N|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|5H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s8|pc|sT|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cQ|pc|cA|pc|c8|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c7|st||md|1SJ864H9DQ854CAT97,STHKQJT32DAKJ72C8,SA72H65DT9CJ65432,SKQ953HA874D63CKQ|sv|b|nt|eggy: he heard you |pg|| nt|granguru: it also might be that italians conceded...|pg|| nt|nickf: and the morrocons didnt bid to slam on 5|pg|| nt|pkl: No game on either side - but 4@S is a very good contract|pg|| nt|eggy: anyone know the georgians who are the early leaders in this group?|pg|| nt|Walddk2: He was on for all 33 matches!|pg|| nt|vugraph197: almost :) |pg|| nt|bg: board six is a push|pg|| nt|vugraph197: i missed the last day|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Oh right, you skipped one|pg|| nt|vugraph197: thank you Roland :)|pg|| nt|caputo: flat board if using blaackwood|pg|| nt|Walddk2: High card points. Johnson has 10 in the black suits. 8 (2 aces) would have been better!|pg|| nt|vugraph197: here we got little different situation as we can recieve cards only after the play started so i am not able to be here for the first 2 boards as i must go 2 stairs down to get the ...|pg|| nt|vugraph197: file|pg|| mb|p|nt|nickf: 4S is 75% I guess more or less|pg|| nt|csimon: each side can make 3 of a major|pg|| nt|pkl: No - the Georgians have surprised everybody, I guess.|pg|| nt|nickf: the USA has state teams here ?|pg|| nt|roghog: several specs say they take it out|pg|| mb|1C|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|2H|nt|pkl: A bit less than 75%. |pg|| nt|pkl: Nick ;-))|pg|| nt|csimon: this is an intermediate bid 10-13|pg|| mb|p|nt|mlodybog: Quite conservative contract in closed|pg|| nt|bbramley: 2nt must be transfer here too|pg|| nt|migry: 2NT = 4@h limit + :)|pg|| nt|lebasi: of course, they win 6@d so specs take it out|pg|| nt|swanson: This is now a dangerous situation because Stas does not have the high card values he promised for 1@C|pg|| mb|3H|nt|lc: And I thought I opened light!!! 1@D by West ???|pg|| nt|mareczek: opening by West is a little modern|pg|| mb|p|nt|lebasi: it's very difficult...|pg|| nt|roghog: 1@c "strong", at least 14|pg|| nt|Walddk2: But his hand surely qualifies for a strong club|pg|| nt|timb: Stas needs to do the asking|pg|| nt|caputo: @c strong and superfit stop now at 5 |pg|| mb|4C|nt|nickf: an ominour lead for Nunes|pg|| nt|pkl: Nunes knows he is one down now|pg|| nt|eggy: He could claim 1 or 2 down now|pg|| mb|p|nt|swanson: 1D is frisky even for a forcing club system. Definitely a Bart Simpson bid|pg|| nt|lc: Their card says 9-14 -- so I guess they are in range.|pg|| nt|mareczek: E probably knows his partner's style|pg|| nt|dburn: 1@d may be systemic - I think at least one of the pairs plays very light openings|pg|| nt|migry: Fabio le Presti is helping us with the italian system:))|pg|| nt|bbramley: then what's 3@C?|pg|| nt|migry: Lo Presti - sorry:)|pg|| nt|swanson: I don't have any experience with a strong club, so I don't know what liberties can be taken.|pg|| mb|4S|nt|reisig: 2N may be 2 way ...weak with @c or 4+@h|pg|| nt|migry: 3@c is minimum with 4@h|pg|| nt|reisig: ahhh|pg|| nt|migry: and i always have to believe the Italian explanation - i am married to one:)|pg|| nt|Walddk2: If ever there is a hand suited for Blackwood this must be it|pg|| mb|p|nt|caputo: 4nt 5@d 5@h and stop|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|nt|swanson: Bockstrom certainly allowed for the opening.|pg|| nt|reisig: looks like 620|pg|| nt|migry: this sd be a pretty fast 1 down|pg|| nt|migry: we always agree Richie:)|pg|| nt|migry: 2 diamonds a spade and a club|pg|| nt|reisig: :))|pg|| nt|roghog: 1@d = @h (of course!!!)|pg|| nt|swanson: whew!|pg|| mb|5H|mb|p|nt|Walddk2: hmmm 5@H??|pg|| mb|p|nt|migry: oops |pg|| mb|p|nt|migry: sry|pg|| nt|caputo: they play belgium blackwood|pg|| nt|bg: not sure what 5 h means result is same at both tables anyway|pg|| nt|swanson: What are the responses?|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Maybe Stas showed keycards rather than asking for them; we are not quite sure what happened here|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Are you Philippe?|pg|| nt|caputo: 4@s is kickback i think ????|pg|| nt|lebasi: /|pg|| nt|Walddk2: In that case 4NT can't show 2|pg|| pc|c6|nt|caputo: perhaps sorry don t know|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|cA|nt|granguru: Claudio desisted on playing @HA|pg|| nt|lebasi: not easy|pg|| nt|roghog: another difficult one to play|pg|| nt|reisig: not difficult ...impossible|pg|| nt|rossg: 1@D=0-9 or 10+ but <3 controls|pg|| pc|c8|pg|| nt|swanson: At least they knew what they were doing.|pg|| pc|s4|pc|sT|nt|tsanders: think he'll go for the deep finesse in @hs?|pg|| nt|migry: all the red cards look the same to me - i'm colorblind|pg|| pc|sA|nt|lc: Still, a VUL game you definitely should be in (not this time, though!)|pg|| pc|s3|pg|| nt|lc: When VUL, at IMPs, if Game is even 40%, it is with the IMP odds to bid it.|pg|| nt|dburn: Indeed, 1 is defined on the card as 9-14, may be a doubleton, so West not only has extra values, he has extra diamonds.|pg|| nt|mareczek: in this board 4@h would be right with the odds|pg|| nt|swanson: I like the club lead. Looks to North like the only (wild) shot to set 5@H is to find partner with a singleton club and the trumps ace.|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sK|nt|roghog: my unsophisticated bidding would get to 3NT|pg|| pc|s6|nt|roghog: in @h, always lose 2 trumps, a @d and a @c, at least|pg|| pc|d2|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o8|st||md|2SJ8743H63DKCJT986,ST62HAQT972DACQ54,SKQ95H854D843CK72,SAHKJDQJT97652CA3|sv|o|mb|1H|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|mb|2H|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|5D|mb|p|mb|6D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| mc|13|pg|| qx|c8|st||md|2SJ8743H63DKCJT986,ST62HAQT972DACQ54,SKQ95H854D843CK72,SAHKJDQJT97652CA3|sv|o|nt|pkl: One more slam.... EW wins 6@H or 6@S|pg|| nt|granguru: still another potential slam here on 8|pg|| nt|rossg: Hope we are all back now|pg|| nt|caputo: 7@h looks q very good contract but difficult to bid !|pg|| nt|swanson: Your every day 9-bagger. I expect a 6@D contract.|pg|| mb|1H|nt|rossg: ok let's try this again!|pg|| mb|p|nt|pkl: And this is a slam that surely will be bid in the open room|pg|| nt|csimon: this will be difficult to diagnose the perfect fit and both key queens|pg|| nt|granguru: this one is easy to bid and to play|pg|| nt|bg: this is avugraph grand slam|pg|| mb|2D|nt|migry: nice 5 @c here|pg|| nt|tsanders: pretty tough to get to 5@cs NS|pg|| nt|bbramley: helps if south can bid them right now|pg|| mb|p|nt|mareczek: also in this one :)|pg|| mb|2H|nt|reisig: N may try 3N|pg|| mb|p|nt|lc: Very tame interference from West -- I'd want to do more with that hand!|pg|| mb|3D|nt|migry: still not easy to get there|pg|| nt|caputo: 2@d GF|pg|| nt|caputo: 2! GF|pg|| nt|swanson: 8-bagger make that|pg|| mb|p|nt|pkl: 4@H is weaker than 3@H, i suppose. |pg|| nt|bbramley: 3@C is invite|pg|| nt|migry: and 3NT is not a pretty contract on a normal heart lead|pg|| nt|reisig: now a X ?|pg|| nt|tsanders: east has had all the decisions so far|pg|| nt|tsanders: west thinking of doubling?|pg|| nt|bbramley: dbl very risky, @Hs may not be running|pg|| nt|Walddk2: And a good one actually. Good chance of dropping @DK with all those entries to dummy|pg|| mb|3H|nt|granguru: hachim took the right view|pg|| nt|pkl: Hachimi carries on.|pg|| nt|bbramley: huddling and passing would be bad form|pg|| nt|reisig: But with no X ..partner may lead another suit|pg|| nt|tsanders: ahh, there it is!|pg|| nt|migry: or south may run to the makeable contract|pg|| nt|migry: or north:)|pg|| nt|tsanders: east may have lead a @h anyway|pg|| mb|p|nt|eggy: he needs a few vital cards|pg|| nt|granguru: he could not have bid 4@S bec partner could have passed|pg|| nt|pkl: Yes - not that obvious - if @DK were @CK slam would not be on|pg|| nt|eggy: west is perfect @DKx, HQ, |pg|| nt|coutred: Doesn't know about @HQ but West is likely to have that card|pg|| nt|bbramley: i would have led a @S|pg|| nt|swanson: Does West bid 3@H or 4@D?|pg|| nt|caputo: 6 cards now could reach 6 without any problems|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 6 won't be a problem, 7 might be|pg|| nt|Walddk2: to bid that is|pg|| mb|4N|mb|p|nt|swanson: Her husband Jari is also on the team, but they do not partner|pg|| nt|bg: johnson may bid seven hearts take a chance if pard had Ax in dia|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Let's see which response we get now|pg|| mb|5H|nt|bbramley: oops|pg|| nt|reisig: wow|pg|| nt|migry: because of the bidding and the known long suit an agressive lead wd be in order|pg|| nt|caputo: yes have to know ace @d single|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: there would have been easier with a splinter |pg|| nt|granguru: this time|pg|| nt|pkl: But Hachimi makes a fault anyway. If you ask for aces and you find them you should bid slam|pg|| nt|nickf: talk about pessimistic|pg|| nt|coutred: It is not clear how strong the 4@H bid is|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 5@S would be normal if playing rkcb|pg|| nt|caputo: impossible except a shot|pg|| nt|Walddk2: But no|pg|| nt|swanson: Partnership choice on what the agreed suit is in this auction for key-card Blackwood.|pg|| mb|6D|nt|nickf: no -one bids 4H with @H xxx|pg|| nt|csimon: the downside of fast arrival is that it takes so much exploration room|pg|| nt|pkl: I do not agree, Nick. I would bid 4@H if you replaced @HQ with @CQ|pg|| mb|p|nt|swanson: I like a 2S weak jump overcall on the West hand if avaliable.|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|caputo: asking @d|pg|| nt|timb: sensible result|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|cA|pg|| nt|swanson: This puts the contract at risk from declarer's point of view.|pg|| pc|d2|pc|dK|pc|dA|pc|d3|pg|| nt|granguru: these hands will be used for challenge the champs in years to come|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|s4|mc|13|nt|csimon: I would only bid 4@h if I were 5422. I hate fast arrival|pg|| pg|| qx|o9|st||md|3SK95HAT92DAQTCJ54,SQJ842HJ75DK42CT6,SA3HK643DJ73CAKQ2,ST76HQ8D9865C9873|sv|e|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s7|pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|d7|pc|d6|pc|dQ|pc|d2|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|cA|pc|c3|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dT|pc|dK|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|sK|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c6|pc|c2|pc|c7|pg|| pc|c5|pc|d4|pc|cQ|pc|c8|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c9|pc|s9|pc|s4|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|dA|pc|s8|pc|dJ|pc|d8|pg|| pc|h9|pc|hJ|pc|h4|pc|s6|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|h6|pc|d9|pc|hT|pg|| pg|| qx|c9|st||md|3SK95HAT92DAQTCJ54,SQJ842HJ75DK42CT6,SA3HK643DJ73CAKQ2,ST76HQ8D9865C9873|sv|e|nt|dburn: They are getting on with the game here - eight boards in less than an hour.|pg|| nt|pkl: You can't have everything after 1@S - 2@H|pg|| nt|eggy: it will be interesting to see the italian auction|pg|| nt|pkl: 4@S is one down here, but 4@H could easily win..... if you do not get to attack diamonds|pg|| nt|granguru: another competitive hand...3@S is the par..|pg|| nt|bg: Johnson just reached for a glass of water?|pg|| nt|swanson: This is a possible heart slam, failing with the @DK offside.|pg|| nt|caputo: 50% @h 6 not so bad one...|pg|| mb|1C|nt|Walddk2: It's less than 50%|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Hearts must behave too|pg|| nt|timb: about 40%|pg|| nt|caputo: yes|pg|| nt|swanson: Because you need the hearts to come in with one loser it is not percentage.|pg|| nt|bg: 1c= 15+ bal|pg|| mb|p|nt|bbramley: N/S got lucky. I don't like sitting on either side.|pg|| mb|1N|mb|p|nt|pkl: Would you follow the law and bid 4@S here?|pg|| nt|nickf: not red vs white|pg|| nt|nickf: the law doesnmt apply at those colours|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|nt|lc: Half the deals had nothing to the play. West should have spent more time on 6@C ):|pg|| nt|swanson: Maybe BBO could give first names - helpful when husband and wife are on the same team|pg|| nt|ritong: mostly when 5332|pg|| nt|reisig: nice 3N|pg|| nt|tsanders: here is a great site for getting lots of information about this tournament, even results when they are all out (not yet)|pg|| mb|2D|nt|pkl: No - i agree. The hand is to flat and defensive. A club less and one more diamond....|pg|| nt|csimon: responsive dbl|pg|| nt|bbramley: north, with his good clubs, could expect south to cover enough of his other losers|pg|| mb|p|nt|eggy: cant see them bidding 4H now|pg|| nt|granguru: x should offer support plus @HS|pg|| nt|granguru: a coke for the Pass|pg|| nt|eggy: this would be some bid!|pg|| nt|nickf: 4H seems like a good contract|pg|| nt|granguru: -1|pg|| nt|pkl: 4@C must be one down on any reasonable defense.|pg|| nt|csimon: the Italians are quite conservative bidders - Fantoni is likely to pass|pg|| nt|nickf: how so?|pg|| nt|nickf: but 4H is OK.|pg|| nt|bg: 1nt + 10+ bal|pg|| mb|2H|mb|p|nt|dburn: It may not help their marriage. This way, the wife gets to blame the husband for everything Backstrom has done wrong :)|pg|| mb|3H|nt|eggy: can the morrocans find their ruff?|pg|| mb|p|nt|swanson: I don't think the 1C bid is supposed to have a singleton when in the minimum range|pg|| nt|mlodybog: 1@d shows minimum 4 cards|pg|| nt|mareczek: in Polish club 1@c opens also with 4441 with 1@d 12-15 PC|pg|| nt|lc: These deals are duplicated throughout the 72-team field. So, if they seem "quiet/dull," they will be that way in every ...|pg|| nt|lc: other match.|pg|| nt|dburn: I think he has to treat this as balanced - all openings other than 1@c show 4+ cards|pg|| nt|nickf: or the @d switch|pg|| nt|tsanders: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Istanbul.04/Istanbul.htm |pg|| mb|3S|nt|migry: this is a very good slam |pg|| nt|bbramley: e/w may still be steaming. they could make 7 on this hand.|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|nt|pkl: diamond or heart switch sets it|pg|| mb|4C|nt|mareczek: 1@h/@s 5+|pg|| mb|p|nt|eggy: np|pg|| nt|migry: given the 3@c opening easy to guess the q@h|pg|| nt|tsanders: and will make 7 it appears|pg|| nt|tsanders: naw, just 6|pg|| nt|vugraph197: bocchi played fast hearts whith finesse and then diamonds|pg|| mb|4D|mb|p|nt|mareczek: 2@s showed balanced with 4@s 12-14|pg|| nt|caputo: 2 bids for belgium....1NT 3NT ....|pg|| nt|swanson: The jack third holdings in each hand are not appealing.|pg|| nt|Walddk2: At the other table Conraets-Engel, the most experienced pair, are NS for Belgium against Lauria-Versace|pg|| mb|4H|mb|p|nt|bg: interesting pattern developing after six rounds all countries who have won previous Olympiads are at or near the top of their groups Italy,France, Poland, Brazil, USA|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|mlodybog: balanced or exactly the type of hand he has|pg|| pc|c8|nt|swanson: Nice auction by the Italians.|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cT|pc|cK|pg|| nt|bg: this will tighten match to 9-8|pg|| nt|swanson: What's the safest line her Tim?|pg|| nt|swanson: here|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h8|pc|h2|pc|h5|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|hA|pc|h7|pg|| pc|s5|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s6|pg|| nt|mareczek: yes, but singleton @dA not necessary :), possible small also|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|s2|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|h4|pc|sT|pg|| pc|c2|pc|c7|pc|cJ|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c5|pc|s8|pc|cQ|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c9|pc|dT|pc|d2|pg|| pc|d3|pc|d5|pc|dQ|pc|dK|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|o10|st||md|4SAQ864HAJ7D8CAQ98,S3HT653DQT73CKJT5,SJ9752HKQ2DKJ6C62,SKTH984DA9542C743|sv|b|mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h5|pc|hK|pc|h9|pc|h7|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|sA|pc|s3|pg|| pc|sQ|pc|c5|pc|s2|pc|sT|pg|| pc|d8|pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|dA|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cQ|pc|cK|pc|c2|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c10|st||md|4SAQ864HAJ7D8CAQ98,S3HT653DQT73CKJT5,SJ9752HKQ2DKJ6C62,SKTH984DA9542C743|sv|b|nt|swanson: careful play wins an imp|pg|| nt|granguru: on a good day 4@H could be made|pg|| nt|pkl: One more partial... 3@H max|pg|| nt|granguru: today is not the day|pg|| mb|p|mb|1S|mb|p|nt|csimon: Nunes will probably open 2@h and that will become the final contract|pg|| nt|coutred: 2@H is limited opener - unbalanced 10-13 (good 9)|pg|| nt|pkl: I like these "strong" 2-openings.|pg|| nt|granguru: no singleton not enuf strengh, no game will be bid|pg|| nt|nickf: North is worth one bid|pg|| nt|csimon: Fantoni seems to be the more conservative bidder of the partnership|pg|| nt|granguru: he will probably pass|pg|| nt|bg: some pairs might stretch this one to slam and fail Belgium stopped in open room|pg|| mb|3N|nt|coutred: 2@S is relay, 2NT invitational+ with 5+S|pg|| nt|granguru: made one trial bid |pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk2: According to the Encyclopedia running the 10 seems to be best. If it loses, cash the king next. 94% chance of 3 tricks|pg|| mb|4C|nt|Walddk2: Provided that you don't know which opponent is shorter|pg|| nt|swanson: That's good for the suit, but risks a club ruff.|pg|| mb|p|nt|dburn: That's a "Bart heart" by East|pg|| nt|eggy: still tempted though|pg|| nt|pkl: Well.. with the @HT at south 4@H is very good|pg|| mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|nt|mlodybog: @d lead ?|pg|| nt|lc: Leads to 3NT from the "not normal" side.|pg|| mb|p|nt|mareczek: 16 PC is a bare minimum for game forcing after opening of the range as EW shows|pg|| nt|dburn: 9-14, 4+ cards, so again he has some extras|pg|| nt|granguru: well the same hand with @HA10 instead of A9 would have done it|pg|| pc|d3|pc|dK|pc|dA|nt|mareczek: yes... 5-th heart and 1PC above minimum|pg|| pc|d8|pg|| nt|pkl: GRANGURU: H5 ;-)|pg|| nt|csimon: and they are likely to be in game at the other table after an opening 1-bid|pg|| pc|d5|nt|reisig: 4@d was re xfer|pg|| pc|s6|pc|d7|nt|lc: The ""field" auction is P-1N-2D-2H-3N -- with a @C lead from North.|pg|| pc|d6|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s3|pc|s2|pc|sT|pg|| pc|h7|nt|bbramley: 3@D=trf,3@S=superaccept, 4@D=re-trf|pg|| nt|tsanders: brb|pg|| pc|h6|pc|hK|pc|h4|pg|| pc|dJ|pc|d4|pc|s4|pc|dT|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h3|pc|h2|pc|h8|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h5|pc|hQ|pc|h9|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o11|st||md|1SJ862HAKJ5DJ72CAK,SK74HT732DT54CQJ3,SQ93HQ86D86CT8654,SAT5H94DAKQ93C972|sv|o|mb|1N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h7|pc|h8|pc|h9|pc|hJ|pg|| pc|s2|pc|s4|pc|sQ|pc|sA|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d7|pc|d4|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|dJ|pc|dT|pc|c4|pg|| pc|d9|pc|s6|pc|hT|pc|c5|pg|| pc|d3|pc|hK|pc|h2|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c2|pc|cK|pc|c3|pc|c8|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h6|pc|s5|pc|hA|pc|cJ|pg|| pc|cA|pc|cQ|pc|cT|pc|c7|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|sK|pc|s3|pc|sT|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|c9|pc|s8|pg|| pg|| qx|c11|st||md|1SJ862HAKJ5DJ72CAK,SK74HT732DT54CQJ3,SQ93HQ86D86CT8654,SAT5H94DAKQ93C972|sv|o|mb|1C|nt|mareczek: declarer played conservatively|pg|| mb|p|nt|lc: There's the "Bart-Simpson" @C you guys were waiting for!|pg|| nt|mlodybog: he counted to 9|pg|| nt|lc: Many pairs invent their own version of a big @C, then give it a pet name -- as here.|pg|| nt|coutred: Another 2-level opener. 10-13 as on the last hand|pg|| nt|granguru: spades and hearts again|pg|| nt|pkl: 2@S shown as 6 cards on CC....|pg|| nt|eggy: no 5|pg|| nt|granguru: 4@H is a makeable contract|pg|| mb|1S|nt|vugraph197: he changed his bid|pg|| nt|coutred: 3@C by North shows 5+@H but he has made a relay instead|pg|| nt|nickf: you would have to play the hand poorly to fail in 4@H|pg|| nt|coutred: No he hasn't, he has shown the hearts|pg|| nt|vugraph197: so she did|pg|| nt|swanson: Overtricks look like gold in this match|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 1@S = 0-9 hcp, no 4-card major|pg|| mb|2D|nt|mareczek: difficult to bid 3NT after opp's "strong" club|pg|| nt|bg: 1s= 0-9 no 4 card major|pg|| mb|p|nt|mlodybog: 2@c transfer or something else ?|pg|| nt|lc: 2@C = Transfer to @D|pg|| nt|Walddk2: The link to the convention cards is www.bridgebase.com/istanbul|pg|| mb|p|nt|mareczek: we will see our pair on the way|pg|| nt|pkl: Yep - only five... sorry.|pg|| mb|p|nt|migry: some @d partscore here|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pc|h6|nt|swanson: 2C is a transfer to diamonds over a strong club for Poland|pg|| pc|h4|pg|| nt|mareczek: 2@c was probably transfer overcall|pg|| nt|csimon: this can be bloody|pg|| nt|swanson: 2@D is making and 1NT was going off one. Another IMP pickup|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c3|nt|csimon: and bloodier!|pg|| nt|pkl: four down, i guess|pg|| nt|nickf: running to 4@D was a bad plan|pg|| nt|eggy: I wonder why West passed 3NT?|pg|| nt|nickf: pd has already passed 3NT x to show no realpreference the npassed 4Cx...|pg|| nt|pkl: Not good - 4@D fares worse.....|pg|| pc|c8|nt|migry: lucky 9@s in the south hand|pg|| pc|c7|pg|| pc|cA|nt|reisig: needed to lead @d to unblock the suit|pg|| pc|cJ|nt|bbramley: @Ss block, so they'll make it|pg|| nt|reisig: I meant @s of course|pg|| pc|c4|nt|nickf: 4Dx now suffers a club ruff.|pg|| nt|ritong: omg..|pg|| nt|pkl: Yes - Berrada should not have passed 3NTD|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| nt|swanson: Nice piece of theivery|pg|| nt|mareczek: but after 2@h... not vulnerable Tuszynski could try something... may be double?|pg|| nt|nickf: call 911...now|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Can go down|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Club ruff by underleading @HK next|pg|| pc|h5|pc|h3|pc|hQ|nt|lc: I agree -- he should act again over 2@H.|pg|| nt|csimon: why should 3nt not be to play?|pg|| pc|h9|pg|| nt|mareczek: double would lead to 4@s|pg|| nt|mareczek: rather down|pg|| nt|caputo: bravo|pg|| nt|Walddk2: well done|pg|| nt|swanson: well done|pg|| pc|c5|pc|c9|pc|d2|nt|mlodybog: I guess he thought 2@c is constructive in itself since he did not preempt|pg|| pc|cQ|pg|| pc|hK|pc|h7|pc|h8|nt|granguru: best defense till now|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| nt|eggy: 2nd slam swing on board 8 - the italians forge remorselessly on|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d7|nt|tsanders: On the 3NTX hand, most would play it called for dummy's suit, not find the suit|pg|| nt|migry: true|pg|| pc|d4|nt|lc: I can't tell you how many times I've played against Meckwell and they have opened a "strong" 1@C and we've had a game ...|pg|| nt|lc: our way!|pg|| pc|d6|pg|| pc|dK|nt|mareczek: particularly Tuszynski |pg|| pc|dJ|nt|mareczek: but one ace less would be also constructive|pg|| nt|mlodybog: And they are VERY constructive preempters|pg|| pc|d5|pc|d8|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|s2|pc|dT|pc|c6|pg|| nt|csimon: ouch!|pg|| pc|d9|pc|s6|nt|swanson: Convention cards for all pairs in the Olympiad matches available at: www.bridgebase.com/istanbul|pg|| nt|eggy: I think panic set in|pg|| pc|s4|pc|cT|pg|| nt|granguru: the short @c suit is ruffing |pg|| nt|Walddk2: And a new leader|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 11-10|pg|| pc|s5|nt|nickf: following panic will be acute embarrassment|pg|| nt|nickf: then shame shortly after.|pg|| pc|s8|pc|sK|pc|s3|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s9|pc|sA|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|sT|pc|hJ|pc|hT|pc|sQ|pg|| pg|| qx|o12|st||md|2S8532HKJT7654DTC2,SAQJTHA2DK9532CKT,SK64H83DQ74CAJ543,S97HQ9DAJ86CQ9876|sv|n|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|2H|mb|2S|mb|d|mb|3C|mb|p|mb|3D|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|hA|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d4|pc|d6|pc|dT|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d7|pc|d8|pc|h4|pg|| pc|dA|pc|s2|pc|d3|pc|dQ|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s3|pc|sT|pc|sK|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|c12|st||md|2S8532HKJT7654DTC2,SAQJTHA2DK9532CKT,SK64H83DQ74CAJ543,S97HQ9DAJ86CQ9876|sv|n|nt|nickf: after that sort of hand you need a clam flat hand|pg|| nt|nickf: a calm hand|pg|| nt|nickf: but this isnt it.|pg|| mb|1C|nt|bbramley: not when dummy's has shown a long suit, not for me anyway|pg|| mb|p|nt|pkl: ... and run into a misfit. Best contract is a nt-partial NS|pg|| nt|reisig: That bidding to me is like 1N - 3N|pg|| nt|caputo: 3nt|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 3NT should make even if played by West on a heart lead|pg|| mb|2C|nt|mareczek: preempted by an opening|pg|| nt|mlodybog: Silence is gold here|pg|| nt|mareczek: after 1@c - 1@s game is automatic|pg|| nt|mlodybog: Polish pair in closed plays precision 2@c as well|pg|| nt|vugraph195: kowalski is reading the cc of opps|pg|| nt|pkl: Perhaps 3NT wins NS - it probably does|pg|| nt|csimon: does 2@d show both majors?|pg|| nt|coutred: 2@D is a transfer|pg|| nt|migry: in a 1NT -3Nt sequence the double wd ask for a short suit - but here the club lead seems normal|pg|| mb|2H|nt|swanson: System says 1@C is 18+, but maybe with the shape and tens this qualifies.|pg|| nt|caputo: ok by 2 hands|pg|| nt|caputo: normally they reach 3 nt easy|pg|| mb|d|nt|bbramley: if you have the long suit locked up, then any lead will probably work|pg|| nt|caputo: 2@c is+ |pg|| nt|swanson: Pass seems a better idea than double (unless it is takeout)|pg|| nt|caputo: 8+|pg|| mb|p|mb|3D|nt|eggy: any maj or any 55|pg|| nt|pkl: 2@D is one major |pg|| nt|migry: also true|pg|| mb|p|nt|dburn: Well, he's probably a Simpsons fan|pg|| nt|lc: Sad to say, but I'd pass my partner's Precision 2@C, too -- not a system triumph.|pg|| nt|pkl: - or any strong 5-5|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Pass would show the 12-14 balanced type I suppose|pg|| nt|caputo: 3@h now and 3nt|pg|| nt|Walddk2: So Stas had to act to show 18+|pg|| nt|bg: 2c= 7-9 natural|pg|| nt|swanson: Yes, forgot about that possibility.|pg|| mb|3H|nt|reisig: When dummy shows long @cs - what holding would you X with?|pg|| nt|caputo: wd|pg|| nt|Walddk2: The danger is that they get to 5@D|pg|| nt|bg: good cue should get 3nt from J|pg|| nt|swanson: Johnson has shown his suits, 3NT seems easy.|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Unusual for Lauria-Versace to stop short of game on a combined 26 count|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 1@D 2@D (inverted) (2@H overcall) 2@S 3@C ; 3@D all pass|pg|| nt|timb: which game will stas-johnson bid? - 5@D is more than possible|pg|| nt|bg: must be a tech problem would not be surprised if next thing we see is result posted:))|pg|| nt|swanson: Fantoni is not thinking of bidding here, there is some other holdup.|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Johnson is|pg|| nt|Walddk2: North and East are on the same side of the screen|pg|| nt|Walddk2: and our operator will not enter the calls until they both have been made|pg|| nt|caputo: 3@h asking for complementary stopper @h|pg|| nt|swanson: Would Fantoni consider doubling a 3NT contract based on his partner's vulnerable overcall?|pg|| mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|nt|granguru: Where do we get 9 tricks?|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|granguru: ooppppppps|pg|| nt|pkl: I believe you could win DD|pg|| nt|granguru: now he founded the2 voids already|pg|| nt|nickf: 4C, 2H, 2S 1D|pg|| nt|pkl: Ah yes - with the @SQ as an entry.|pg|| nt|nickf: or HQ|pg|| nt|csimon: I have 2 computers and can choose which one I want to crash on|pg|| nt|granguru: it is a timing problem..when giving the @C @D will be opend |pg|| nt|pkl: But opps can raise a diamond trick if club 9 wins|pg|| nt|pkl: 2C 1h 1S 1d.... interesting deal|pg|| nt|nickf: Fantoni is a superb card player - World MPs champion - the smarty money will back him to succeed.|pg|| nt|granguru: deep finesse says @S10 or 3 @C8 andspecifically @D8 or 5 wins|pg|| nt|migry: something in c AND an outside suit|pg|| nt|tsanders: this hand has all the making of a blood bath|pg|| nt|bg: took a long time for 3nt but here we are:))|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Sorry about that specs, beyond our control|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o13|st||md|3S983H732DKQ4CQ654,SKQ52HQJ6D97CJT98,ST764HT98DT653C73,SAJHAK54DAJ82CAK2|sv|b|mb|p|mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D!|mb|p|mb|2H!|mb|p|mb|2S!|mb|p|mb|2N!|mb|p|mb|3C!|mb|p|mb|3D!|mb|p|mb|3H!|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|4C|mb|p|mb|4D|mb|p|mb|6N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s9|pc|s2|pc|s6|pc|sA|pg|| pc|sJ|pc|s8|pc|s5|pc|s4|pg|| pc|cK|pc|c4|pc|c8|pc|c3|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h2|pc|hQ|pc|h8|pg|| pc|cJ|pc|c7|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|o14|st||md|4S74HQ7DQJ9752CA92,SJT982HAT8642DK6C,SA53H53DT43CQ8653,SKQ6HKJ9DA8CKJT74|sv|o|mb|1N|mb|2D|mb|d|mb|3D|mb|d|mb|p|mb|4H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|dT|mc|11|pg|| qx|c15|st||md|1S8HJDAT3CAKQJT963,S73HA9842DK872C52,SQ2HKT73DJ964C874,SAKJT9654HQ65DQ5C|sv|n|nt|mareczek: Kowalski will open 2@h|pg|| nt|mareczek: weak twosuiter and further development is interesting|pg|| nt|vugraph195: we will switch this hand because tuszynski had 14 cards|pg|| nt|swanson: This hand looks familiar|pg|| nt|mareczek: I return to my prediction|pg|| nt|mareczek: 2@h opening|pg|| nt|mlodybog: If they can reach 3NT diamond lead is striking|pg|| nt|pkl: Nope - but is sure must be a relief. Hachimi - Berrada will know they have a good deal .. at least a draw|pg|| nt|bbramley: maybe. what would north do with a balanced 2 HCP?|pg|| nt|migry: maybe bid over double|pg|| nt|vugraph197: sry i will bid final contract|pg|| mb|5C|nt|reisig: Not sure -- I would Pass:)))|pg|| nt|Walddk2: This is an interesting hand|pg|| mb|p|nt|swanson: Will North then double the 2S overcall?|pg|| nt|mareczek: double is "pass or correct"|pg|| nt|bbramley: not me. i always pass with balanced.|pg|| nt|migry: but it's a matter of agreement|pg|| mb|p|nt|mareczek: S can have spades for the opening|pg|| nt|dburn: Why? What did 2@h mean?|pg|| mb|p|nt|mareczek: this hand is good for re open double|pg|| nt|mlodybog: @h + another 5-5|pg|| nt|lc: Since North didn't bid 3NT, he seems to be playing for penalties (hoping South will X).|pg|| nt|swanson: does south now bid 3D?|pg|| nt|mareczek: 2@h=6-10 PC, 5+-5+ with hearts|pg|| pc|s7|nt|swanson: This is a big system failure for the Poles|pg|| nt|granguru: EW makes 3@C here|pg|| pc|s2|pc|sK|nt|mareczek: Tuszynski does not fill satisfied now|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| nt|mlodybog: perhaps he should have blasted this 3NT after all|pg|| nt|granguru: NS might make 3@H|pg|| pc|sA|nt|pkl: And NS wins 3@H... and that is what the contract is going to become|pg|| nt|tsanders: Toss this up: some players play double is TO and pass willing to defend 2@cx|pg|| pc|cA|nt|csimon: 3@h is easy and the law says to bid it|pg|| nt|granguru: Law works perfectly here|pg|| nt|eggy: cant see the point of 1D - it just let NS in|pg|| pc|s3|nt|pkl: oh.... perhaps not. Another small potential gain for Morocco|pg|| pc|sQ|pg|| nt|Walddk2: EW can make 5@S|pg|| pc|hJ|nt|mlodybog: Any reasonable S hand gives 8 tricks in NT right off the mark|pg|| nt|Walddk2: So a big board for Italy|pg|| pc|hA|nt|migry: 2h= 4@s|pg|| pc|h3|nt|granguru: 1 problem less|pg|| pc|h5|pg|| nt|bg: this will make also if west grabs heart ace|pg|| nt|swanson: Poor decision by Johnson not to bid 5@S|pg|| nt|Walddk2: I don't think the bidding went like this|pg|| nt|bg: with 8 bagger non vul have to bid |pg|| pc|c2|nt|lc: I know 2@H was "6-10" (@H+?) -- but presumably at these colors he wouldn't be too light, so I'm surprised North didn't ...|pg|| nt|lc: try for (or just bid) game.|pg|| pc|c4|nt|bbramley: not me. i play dbl is pen, pass is f over 2@C or 2@D (but not 2@H)|pg|| pc|s4|nt|reisig: ahh Papi's method|pg|| pc|c9|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c5|nt|tsanders: Bur Bart, I don't place you in the "some players" catagory|pg|| pc|c7|pc|s5|pg|| nt|Walddk2: But no matter what I think it's pretty obvious to take out insurance in 5@S|pg|| pc|h7|pc|hQ|pc|cT|nt|Walddk2: The Austrian lady did in the China v Austria match, got doubled and made it|pg|| pc|h2|pg|| nt|granguru: no way to lose|pg|| pc|c3|mc|11|nt|swanson: Why would double be pass or correct? |pg|| pg|| qx|c16|st||md|2SA73HAKDAKJ72CK74,SQJ82HT832DQT9C93,SKTHQJ954D853CQJ2,S9654H76D64CAT865|sv|e|nt|timb: i can't conceive not bidding 5@S|pg|| mb|p|nt|mareczek: not less interesting|pg|| nt|Walddk2: We skipped board 13 and 14 while we were down, but Marcin will no doubt enter the scores shortly|pg|| nt|timb: boring board - 11 tricks in 3nT|pg|| nt|Walddk2: So will Marek in the open room|pg|| mb|p|nt|mlodybog: save of a slam possible|pg|| nt|lc: At these colors, N-S can make life difficult for E-W to find their slam.|pg|| nt|swanson: We'll see if Bart can get the Finns to the great 6D contract|pg|| nt|bbramley: on bd 12 fantoni-nunes got all of their tricks vs 2@S dbl for 7 more imps|pg|| nt|Walddk2: So we should get results on those 2 boards before long|pg|| mb|p|nt|eggy: transfer|pg|| nt|vugraph197: scores are updated now|pg|| mb|2N|nt|dburn: Not so easy to save when your side has two aces and a king|pg|| nt|mlodybog: or not so great 6@s|pg|| nt|mareczek: or 6@s after 6@h save|pg|| nt|lc: Kowalski isn't done yet, I suspect. I would have gone past 4@H right away. No?|pg|| nt|mlodybog: A bit timid by Kowalski, 5@h would have been my choice|pg|| nt|lc: How about 5@H the first time?|pg|| nt|pkl: The round robin is four groups of 18 teams, ending in 4*4 winners.|pg|| nt|csimon: 4@s is difficult to find after the 1nt opening|pg|| nt|migry: nice grand in @d here|pg|| mb|p|nt|dburn: He might have bid 5@h - but when the opponents do that, it's because they're afraid you can make a lot|pg|| nt|pkl: 3@S by N now?|pg|| nt|granguru: 5 boards to go , but 2 not counted, 14 and 15 are potentially imps for Morocco|pg|| nt|coutred: Interesting choice of opening. Alternative was 2@S, unbalanced 5+@S 10-13|pg|| nt|pkl: I would hate opening 2@S with that suit|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Thx Marcin|pg|| mb|3D|mb|p|nt|mareczek: E may not bid 6@d|pg|| nt|dburn: and West might have bid 6@d in that auction|pg|| nt|mareczek: no club control|pg|| nt|swanson: But that wouldn't shut Salomaa out. Tuff for either North or South to save with their aces.|pg|| nt|lc: Who can argue with success. Anyway, now he might push them into it -:|pg|| nt|dburn: as it is, he settled for five, and East could not really do any more|pg|| nt|mareczek: now 5@h will enable forcing pass|pg|| nt|mareczek: 6@h is cheaper than 5@d|pg|| nt|pkl: Nunes will probably bid 4@S now - believing he will end in a moysian fit|pg|| nt|vugraph197: sry for this but dhcp server went down and we needed to get some static ip adresses to work|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 13 and 14 both flat|pg|| mb|3H|mb|p|nt|migry: or Nt |pg|| mb|3N|mb|p|nt|swanson: but will he know to bid 6@H|pg|| nt|csimon: I wonder what 2nt meant - couldn't be a natural invitation - some sort of Lebensohl?|pg|| nt|ritong: nice recover|pg|| nt|pkl: 2NT probably Lebensohl´.|pg|| nt|tsanders: Missdefense vs 2@sx cost Hong Kong 7 imps|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|mlodybog: 5@h is cheaper than 6@h|pg|| pc|s2|nt|mareczek: but when EW bid, for example 6@s after push, NS may not save with @cAK|pg|| nt|swanson: This is a good 6NT contract on N-S cards, failing in this deal.|pg|| pc|sT|nt|granguru: I think Nunes knows p has5@S|pg|| nt|csimon: if Lebensohl, then 3@s was a BIG bid by Fantoni!|pg|| nt|bbramley: awkward 4th suit auction, gobbled up room|pg|| pc|s4|pc|s3|pg|| nt|ritong: yes|pg|| pc|sK|pc|s5|nt|migry: is it 4NT for D or for S now?|pg|| nt|migry: Spades|pg|| nt|reisig: it started with the 1@s response|pg|| nt|tsanders: not on same page if @ds are trumps|pg|| nt|bbramley: of course, one of my rules is: You can't overbid when you're cold for 7.|pg|| nt|migry: however the opposite rule also works|pg|| nt|tsanders: 5@hs not right response|pg|| pc|s7|pc|s8|pg|| nt|reisig: maybe he'll use the .."look again" bid|pg|| nt|migry: if diamonds r trumps - but not for north:)|pg|| pc|h4|nt|mlodybog: I wouldn't like to sell out with Salomaa's hand so early (or so low)|pg|| nt|dburn: Considering what he might have had for 1@s, he has an awful lot|pg|| nt|mareczek: one black ace + diammond fit is enoug to 6@d|pg|| nt|swanson: an uninspired auction by the Finns|pg|| nt|csimon: very well done after the less than optimum start|pg|| nt|migry: here it comes:)|pg|| pc|h6|nt|pkl: Right - could not be traditional Lebensohl.|pg|| pc|hA|pc|h2|pg|| pc|hK|nt|mlodybog: exactly so|pg|| pc|h3|nt|dburn: Maybe "Doh!" is the word for it|pg|| nt|bbramley: on same wavelength, got it done|pg|| pc|h5|nt|reisig: 5N asked spec king |pg|| pc|h7|pg|| nt|migry: south was on the same wavelength with himself:)|pg|| nt|reisig: North thought @s were trumps|pg|| pc|c4|nt|swanson: Unless you get a low spade lead.|pg|| mc|12|pg|| qx|c17|st||md|3SQJ9HAQJ52D8CKT93,SAT652H74DQ63CA87,S874HT6DK942CQJ52,SK3HK983DAJT75C64|sv|o|nt|mareczek: both EW have the 1 level openings in their system, but probably they will not overcall :)|pg|| nt|vugraph197: y north was sure spades were trumps|pg|| mb|p|nt|migry: still no results from the previous match:(|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: Now Italy needs 12 for a blitz|pg|| nt|tsanders: south's 5nt found the @dK and was very helpful|pg|| nt|reisig: hard to believe ..but they may lose 2 IMPs for 7@d|pg|| nt|bbramley: 3@C=@C + @D|pg|| mb|2H|nt|migry: and 4@d splinter|pg|| nt|bbramley: expect 5@D by west, doubled|pg|| nt|reisig: 5@d seems likely here|pg|| nt|bg: spade partial here Belgium can pick up a few imps|pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk2: 2@H is 10-13 hcp, 5+ hearts and unbalanced|pg|| mb|2S|nt|mlodybog: 1NT -2 ?|pg|| nt|swanson: that should bet a balance|pg|| nt|swanson: get|pg|| nt|csimon: would anyone here pass that North hand???|pg|| nt|pkl: It is a clear opening in my system.|pg|| nt|vugraph197: he didnt , my misclick|pg|| nt|ritong: very strange, imposed by the system i guess|pg|| nt|vugraph197: but he passed it on opening sry|pg|| nt|coutred: Fantoni could have opened 2@S but maybe he is not allowed to do so with a minimum and 4@H|pg|| nt|ritong: or by the operator:)|pg|| nt|pkl: Okay... let us all have sympathy with the operator..... it is not an easy job|pg|| nt|csimon: it fits within their 2-bid requirement|pg|| nt|vugraph197: he passed it on opening|pg|| mb|p|nt|tsanders: appears 4@hs can go down with a @c attack|pg|| mb|3C|nt|bbramley: i think dbl is "don't lead a diamond"|pg|| mb|p|nt|mlodybog: Risky one at that|pg|| nt|granguru: according to Zar North has 11(HC) +13 (dist)+ 3(ctrl)+1(@S suit) +1 concentration =29 |pg|| nt|granguru: 3 more than minimum!|pg|| nt|pkl: I agree with Zar - that hand is not absolute minimum|pg|| nt|granguru: so Fantoni is, in fact super conservative...|pg|| mb|p|nt|reisig: a @c might beat this|pg|| mb|p|nt|swanson: 3C is reasonable here, but partner is know to have a lot of major suits cards from the bidding|pg|| nt|pkl: And Nunes - bidding 3@S knows it!!|pg|| nt|bbramley: missed the message|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 2@S is a relay |pg|| nt|swanson: 2@S was probably pass or correct.|pg|| nt|bg: 2s= relay|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 2@H already showed hearts|pg|| nt|timb: i'd have passed 2@H|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c2|nt|migry: not sure about the double over 4@d - maybe it suggested sacrifice|pg|| nt|migry: certainly something is wrong when they double and lead:)|pg|| nt|bbramley: i'm very surprised duboin didn't bid 5@D. he could expect to pick up trumps and might have made with the club ace onside|pg|| nt|bbramley: maybe he thought his spades were good only for defense|pg|| nt|reisig: Maybe bid 5@c and run to 5@d (to get @c lead)|pg|| nt|migry: 4@d does indeed suggest sacrifice so the pass is consistent with that decision to involve partner|pg|| pc|c6|pc|cT|pg|| nt|mlodybog: it could have easily bought 4432 table|pg|| pc|c3|nt|Walddk2: The link to the convention cards is www.bridgebase.com/istanbul|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c4|pg|| nt|pkl: Good lead - a continuation will ensure a set!|pg|| nt|swanson: Time for the @DQ shift.|pg|| pc|c8|pc|cJ|nt|Walddk2: or club continuation|pg|| pc|d5|pc|c9|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Should work fine|pg|| pc|hT|pc|h3|nt|csimon: it will hold it to 3|pg|| pc|h2|pc|h4|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h8|pc|hQ|pc|h7|pg|| pc|hA|pc|s5|pc|s4|pc|h9|pg|| nt|mlodybog: If he attacks hearts immediately, defence might get wrong|pg|| nt|pkl: Oh yes - i was in 4@S. But 3@S probably was not invitational|pg|| pc|h5|pc|s2|pc|cQ|pc|hK|pg|| nt|mlodybog: his best chance is to squeeze E in majors|pg|| nt|mlodybog: but repeated spade plays will break communication line|pg|| nt|swanson: At the other table the Poles took all eight of their red suit tricks against 1NT|pg|| pc|s7|pc|sK|pc|s9|pc|s6|pg|| pc|s3|pc|sJ|pc|sA|pc|s8|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|o18|st||md|4SJ97HJ743DJ863C62,SQ3HK952DAQ9CAQ74,SK86542HAT6D2CJ85,SATHQ8DKT754CKT93|sv|n|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|3N|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|s5|pc|sT|pc|sJ|pc|sQ|pg|| pc|dA|pc|d2|pc|d4|pc|d3|pg|| pc|dQ|pc|s6|pc|d5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c3|pc|c2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|s9|pg|| pc|cT|pc|h3|pc|c7|pc|s2|pg|| pc|dK|pc|d8|pc|d9|pc|h6|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|h2|pc|s4|pg|| pc|h4|pc|h5|pc|hA|pc|h8|pg|| mc|11|pg|| qx|c18|st||md|4SJ97HJ743DJ863C62,SQ3HK952DAQ9CAQ74,SK86542HAT6D2CJ85,SATHQ8DKT754CKT93|sv|n|nt|swanson: five imp gain|pg|| nt|mlodybog: 5|pg|| nt|granguru: As expected, Morocco recovered another 7 in board 15...now down 29 |pg|| nt|csimon: it couldn't be inv - Fantoni had an extra ace for the auction and passed|pg|| nt|granguru: 29 imps is 21-9 VP|pg|| nt|Walddk2: But did not when Johnson went up with @SK|pg|| nt|swanson: He was concerned about a non-existant endplay.|pg|| mb|1N|nt|Walddk2: Another rather dull 3NT|pg|| mb|p|nt|pkl: Perhaps not an extra ace, but we basically agree. |pg|| mb|2C|nt|mlodybog: 6@d without a trump lead anyone ?|pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk2: The open room finished now|pg|| mb|2D|mb|p|nt|bg: he was probably still thinking about result 5 club hand|pg|| mb|2S|mb|d|nt|granguru: One thing is for sure here: @S will be plkayed|pg|| nt|granguru: played|pg|| nt|vugraph197: fulvio changed his bid|pg|| mb|2N|nt|reisig: 2@c = xfer|pg|| nt|reisig: or cue|pg|| nt|reisig: Bocchi doesn't care:))|pg|| mb|p|nt|lc: Maybe 6@D, but I'm surprised West didn't bid more @S !|pg|| mb|3N|nt|bbramley: xfer, according to CC|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|nt|tsanders: scores posted for last round at http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Istanbul.04/Istanbul.htm |pg|| mb|p|nt|reisig: down many|pg|| nt|bbramley: down four|pg|| pc|s7|nt|mareczek: after5@d could try 5@s with such a fit|pg|| pc|s3|nt|Walddk2: 6@C would probably have made, but they were not likely to get there after the off-shape 1NT|pg|| pc|sK|pc|sA|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 1@D 1@H ; 2@C would have given them a better chance since West now know about the double fit|pg|| pc|d4|pc|d3|pc|dA|nt|mareczek: not vul against vul|pg|| nt|lc: The key deal in this match was 2 (Click Movie). If 6@C made, Finaland would have nice winning margin.|pg|| nt|swanson: Another uninspired decision by Salomaa|pg|| pc|d2|pg|| pc|dQ|nt|swanson: With the 4-1 diamond split i think declarer is a trick short (with picking up the suit)|pg|| pc|s2|pc|d5|pc|d6|pg|| pc|d9|nt|timb: I'm not a believer in opening 1NT on this shape, though perhaps system forces EW to do so|pg|| pc|s4|pc|dK|pc|d8|pg|| nt|qing: he can ruff out @HA|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dJ|pc|h2|pc|h6|pg|| pc|s9|pc|sQ|pc|s5|pc|sT|pg|| pc|cA|pc|c5|pc|c3|nt|tsanders: and the skinny overcall by east has paid off|pg|| pc|c2|pg|| pc|cQ|pc|c8|pc|c9|pc|c6|pg|| pc|c4|pc|cJ|pc|cK|pc|sJ|pg|| pc|cT|pc|h3|pc|c7|pc|hT|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Italy in the 17-13 VP range, but things may change. Board 20 may not be flat at least|pg|| mc|10|pg|| qx|o19|st||md|1SKT8HJT42DT93CAK9,SQJ643H873DK8C652,S75HAQ95DQJ642CQ7,SA92HK6DA75CJT843|sv|e|mb|p|mb|p|mb|1D|mb|p|mb|1H|mb|1S|mb|2H|mb|d|mb|r|mb|p|mb|p|mb|2S|mb|2N|mb|p|mb|3H|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|c2|pc|cQ|pc|c3|pc|c9|pg|| pc|c7|pc|c4|pc|cA|pc|c5|pg|| pc|hJ|pc|h3|pc|h5|pc|hK|pg|| pc|h6|pc|h2|pc|h7|pc|hA|pg|| pc|hQ|pc|cT|pc|h4|pc|h8|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pc|dT|pc|dK|pg|| pc|s3|pc|s5|pc|s9|pc|sT|pg|| pc|d9|pc|d8|pc|d4|pc|dA|pg|| pc|sA|pc|s8|pc|s4|pc|s7|pg|| mc|9|pg|| qx|c19|st||md|1SKT8HJT42DT93CAK9,SQJ643H873DK8C652,S75HAQ95DQJ642CQ7,SA92HK6DA75CJT843|sv|e|nt|migry: i'm not sure south bidding makes sense unless double DENIED 4 spades and north was showing a true reverse|pg|| nt|timb: that's for sure|pg|| mb|1N|nt|granguru: 3NT is possibleafter Nunes @C lead|pg|| nt|csimon: now we will find out what Fantoni overcalls with at favorable :)|pg|| nt|pkl: 4@H is touch-and go here...|pg|| mb|p|nt|lc: 1NT = 14+ - 17|pg|| nt|lc: X = Any 1 -suit|pg|| mb|2C|mb|p|mb|2D|mb|p|nt|bbramley: yes, 3nt was very ambitious|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 3@H could have been defeated in the open room, but it's not that easy |pg|| nt|Walddk2: Diamond ruff|pg|| mb|2N|nt|granguru: @h fit is found|pg|| mb|p|nt|lc: South may reopen with a takeout X|pg|| mb|p|mb|p|pc|s3|nt|granguru: 5@D=500|pg|| pc|s5|nt|pkl: Why bid 4@D?? I fail to see its merit|pg|| nt|csimon: that 4@d bid helped the Italians - Nunes could now picture his partner's singleton|pg|| pc|sA|nt|mareczek: wasting @hQ and only 3@s - no|pg|| nt|lc: I can't stand it when my OPP's play 2M. Here, it is sad that they happen to have 9-card fit.|pg|| nt|lc: I agree though, that not clear to balance here -- I think it is close.|pg|| pc|s8|pg|| nt|pkl: 5D D is 800|pg|| nt|migry: actually in the convention card it says that the double sd show spade - so 3nt was very ambitious:)|pg|| pc|s9|nt|migry: this is not the best lead |pg|| nt|swanson: Strange auction - and is not going to work out|pg|| pc|sT|pc|sJ|nt|mlodybog: There's a risk of playing in 3-3 @s fit|pg|| pc|s7|pg|| nt|migry: but it sd have made anyway |pg|| pc|sQ|nt|lc: At 50 a trick, not so bad if they are making 2@H|pg|| pc|h5|pc|s2|pc|sK|pg|| nt|reisig: A @s lead makes him very nervous|pg|| pc|d9|nt|granguru: 2 more aces to beat the hand|pg|| pc|dK|nt|granguru: Not there unfortunately for Morocco|pg|| nt|granguru: Fantoni is studying alternatives for the trump play|pg|| nt|eggy: fantoni thinks clubs 4-1?|pg|| nt|granguru: considering a possible @C ruff|pg|| nt|granguru: and a possible 4-1@H |pg|| nt|ritong: no @d underlead|pg|| nt|pkl: That club lead could indicate @C 4-1. But @DA tells me they are 3-2 ;-)|pg|| nt|eggy: he couldn't make it if the clubs don't break|pg|| nt|csimon: probably can't make it with 4-1 trumps either|pg|| nt|pkl: 4-1 trump could be ok with @H9 in S|pg|| nt|granguru: He is a world champion and he is mentally playing each alternative|pg|| nt|vugraph197: he just asked me how much time left till the end of the round :)) |pg|| nt|ritong: how much ?:)|pg|| nt|vugraph197: 15 mins|pg|| pc|d2|pc|d5|pg|| pc|s6|pc|h9|pc|c8|nt|swanson: A balance looks like a matchpoint decision to me|pg|| pc|d3|pg|| pc|s4|nt|bbramley: now drive clubs|pg|| pc|d4|nt|ritong: fulvio already tanked a lot on previous boards|pg|| pc|d7|pc|dT|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 1 more board to go after this. Thanks a lot to Marcin, our excellent operator|pg|| pc|h3|pc|hQ|pc|hK|pc|h2|pg|| pc|dA|nt|csimon: that should be a pickup|pg|| nt|qing: even stranger that Nunes did not bother to try the case if @HK is onside, his actual line wld even fail if HK onside|pg|| mc|6|pg|| qx|o20|st||md|2SJ983H5D643CAKJ75,SQ52HKJ2DKQJ8C862,SAKT7H7DT952CQT94,S64HAQT98643DA7C3|sv|b|mb|1D|mb|1S|mb|2C!|an|hearts|mb|4S|mb|p|mb|p|mb|5H|mb|d|mb|p|mb|p|mb|p|pc|cK|pc|c2|pc|c9|pc|c3|pg|| pc|cA|mc|12|pg|| qx|c20|st||md|2SJ983H5D643CAKJ75,SQ52HKJ2DKQJ8C862,SAKT7H7DT952CQT94,S64HAQT98643DA7C3|sv|b|nt|tsanders: this is the lst hand of this match. Stay on BBO for matches from the 12th World Bridge Olympiad. We give our thanks to the WBF for allowing us to bring you this presentation, to ...|pg|| nt|tsanders: our most accomplished operator and to our excellent analysts|pg|| nt|migry: the K@d lead might have been interesting|pg|| nt|vugraph197: that would be the last board for this session, big thanks to all our great commentators|pg|| nt|Walddk2: down to 16-14 before this ..........|pg|| nt|Walddk2: South tried to cash a second club against 5@HX. Curtains|pg|| nt|vugraph197: big thanks to all our great commentators , aspecially to Roland who is arranging commentators for all of our VU matches , thanks |pg|| mb|1D|mb|p|nt|swanson: There|pg|| nt|lc: Nice to end the match with the weakest opening we've seen -- but in range! (9-14)|pg|| nt|swanson: There's Bart at his worst|pg|| nt|mareczek: in 4333 shape they add 1 point for fits in all suits :)|pg|| mb|1H|nt|migry: thx 197:) great job:)|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: 6 IMPs in board 17 for 3N -2 increases Italian numbers to 66|pg|| nt|vugraph197: so its the last board for this session, big thanks to all our great commentators, and all spectators as well|pg|| mb|1N|nt|bbramley: thx everyone|pg|| mb|p|mb|4H|nt|migry: thx all - it was a pleasure:)|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: making a 35 diff 22-8|pg|| nt|ritong: merci marcin nice job|pg|| nt|csimon: and a round of applause for our vugraph operator - great job Marcin!|pg|| nt|pkl: A big thanks to our operator, Marcin, who did a very good job|pg|| nt|bbramley: 1@D = hearts|pg|| nt|rado: time for coffees \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ help yourselves|pg|| mb|p|nt|granguru: excellent vugraph job indeed|pg|| nt|pkl: 3@S D is down 2|pg|| nt|migry: Rado @h@h@h - just in time as always:)|pg|| nt|migry: thank u:)|pg|| nt|reisig: North might have X'd 1NT ..to show @cs with good hand|pg|| mb|p|nt|Walddk2: Thanks a lot to my co-commentators in this match: John Swanson, Bruce Gowdy and Tim Bourke. A pleasure as always gentlemen|pg|| pc|cA|nt|mareczek: 2nt rebid confirms it|pg|| pc|c2|nt|lc: Shouldn't be too hard for defense to cash out -- |pg|| nt|swanson: I guess that answers the question of whether 3S was forcing|pg|| nt|bbramley: i bet south is glad he didn't|pg|| nt|reisig: :)))|pg|| nt|migry: for me double wd be a normal take out without hearts|pg|| nt|bbramley: i play richie's way|pg|| pc|cT|nt|mlodybog: Ouch|pg|| nt|mareczek: if S plays J|pg|| nt|lc: @CJ wouldn't be too good here! Meanwhile, West is hoping lead was from @CA.|pg|| pc|c3|pg|| nt|mareczek: but from the 11 law he can put A|pg|| nt|mlodybog: It can be a K1087x|pg|| nt|mlodybog: so A is OK also|pg|| nt|Walddk2: 9 or 10 IMPs to Italy here which means 18-12 VPs|pg|| nt|swanson: Thanks. Don't forget results at: http://www.worldbridge.org/tourn/Istanbul.04/Istanbul.htm|pg|| pc|cK|nt|lc: West would like to make some falsecard to encourage a club continuation if South wins @CA. Not clear how to do that.|pg|| nt|bbramley: also might just bid 2@C|pg|| pc|c6|pc|c9|pc|h3|pg|| nt|Walddk2: We will be back in 1 hour and 20 minutes with (hopefully) 3 matches:|pg|| nt|bg: will finish 18-12 Italy|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Scotland v Italy, Sweden v Brazil and Poland v Austria|pg|| nt|Walddk2: all from the open event|pg|| nt|vugraph197: thats all for now , c u in 80 mins|pg|| nt|vugraph197: bye bye|pg|| nt|Walddk2: Thx all for coming this morning and bye for now|pg|| mc|12|nt|mareczek: so it is not dangerus to put the ace|pg|| pg||